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Sunday, April 18, 2021

Does anybody really believe any of this?

 We're just making stuff up as we go along, right, just to keep the sluggish academy to pretend to get fit for the cameras like Bill Clinton jogging into McDonald's for a BigMac. 

Isn't this "institutional wink" stuff really petty?
Maybe we are trying to make ourselves feel better about ourselves because we know that we don't have anything important to offer to society that the most insurmountable obstacles we face are in in fact in our heads. 


Saturday, July 4, 2020

Wednesday, September 4, 2019

El means Power.

In the apocryphal Gospel of Peter, Jesus's words from the cross are strangely, "my power, my power, why have you abandoned me?" This phrasing, instead of "my God, my God," has puzzled commentators and lead some to speculate on the mystic or Gnostic nature of the exclamation.
Justin Martyr refers to El meaning Power.
Epiphanius accepts that El means "power" in discussing a heretical Judaic sect called the Ossaeans (Panarion 2.19.2.1)
The Ossaeans also had a doctrine of Christ as a giant (Panarion 2.19.4.1).

Also the Gospel of Peter presents the crucified Jesus as feeling no pain, which led it to be condemned. The Odes of Solomon also attest to a tradition that Jesus felt no pain on the cross. They also attest to the tradition that Mary felt no pain in labor. Epiphanius also agrees with this in responding to the Ebionite sect that considered Jesus a mere man (Panarion 2.30.19.4).

August 11 2021: Note in Acts, Simon Magus is hailed as "the great power of God," or perhaps, "the Great Power, being God." Possibly "the Great Power" here was the word El--perhaps reflecting colloquial usage? I really don't know. Justin Martyr came from Samaria. Maybe that connection means something; maybe it means nothing. 

Early Influence of Acts on Heretical Baptism Narrative?

But the beginning of their Gospel is, “It came to pass in the days
of Herod, king of Judaea, < in the high-priesthood of Caiaphas >, that
< a certain > man, John < by name >, came baptizing with the baptism
of repentance in the river Jordan, and he was said to be of the lineage of
Aaron the priest, the son of Zacharias and Elizabeth, and all went out unto

him.”26And after saying a good deal it adds, “When the people had
been baptized Jesus came also and was baptized of John. And as he came
up out of the water the heavens were opened, and he saw the Holy Spirit
in the form of a dove which descended and entered into him. And (there
came) a voice from heaven saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in thee I am
well pleased,27 and again, This day have I begotten thee.28 And straightway
a great light shone round about the place.29 Seeing this,” it says, “John said
unto him, Who art thou, Lord?30 And again (there came) a voice to him
from heaven, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.31 (8)
And then,” it says, “John fell down before him and said, I pray thee, Lord,
do thou baptize me. But he forbade him saying, Let it alone, for thus it is
meet that all be fulfi lled.”32


Epiphanius, Panarion 19.13.6-7, Frank Williams 142.


depending on when this was written, it could be early attestation for Acts!
Also, why is John experiencing what Paul does in Acts? Is John a good guy or a bad guy?

New thought, Aug. 11th 2021: The Clementine Homilies, in a few sections, portray Paul negatively through the guise of Simon Magus. The Homilies also claims that Simon was originally a student of John the Baptist, albeit a hubristic student. If both this heterodox gospel and these sections of the Clementine Homilies originally came from an Ebionite source, then it could help explain this strange insertion of words from Acts 9 into Christ's baptism narrative. Perhaps John the Baptist is also a negative cipher for Paul? Or perhaps this source wants to connect John, Paul, and Simon as anti-Christ figures? 

Perhaps this baptism narrative is a "put-down" of John? Perhaps it reflects the Homilies' syzygus theory where error precedes truth--here John would represent error and Christ truth, of course. 
If there is a connection between the Gospel of the Hebrews and the Clementine Homilies, then we have here a bit of reconstruction of the historical thinking of a particular lost Christian community.

Wednesday, June 6, 2018

Goodbye to Booze.

Goodbye booze!
You ruined my life by making me fat, slow, and stupid.
Except you're not you; you're me. You're the shadow on the wall when the moon shines through the window in the witching hour saying I'm not allowed to dream without you. You took two years from me and destroyed relationships and hopes. Then you had me all alone. Well today I worked and saw new friends and now I have band practice. You might be fate, but I don't believe in fate. Chocolate milk is better.

Thursday, August 3, 2017

Well, Protestant Apologists can't take outside criticism; they immediately use cheesy latin-sounding attacks.


Glenn peoples.glenn@gmail.com

12:19 AM (1 hour ago)
to martin
It's pretentious to make this anything about Gospel bridge building. What made you think your vague, unhelpful, basically content-free and completely public scolding would be well-received or that you and I have a relationship where it was appropriate? Don't imagine that you have any sort of high ground.


martin arno mchrisarno@gmail.com

12:53 AM (25 minutes ago)
to Glenn
Dear Glenn,

     As we say in California: you need to take a chill-pill. 
You post great stuff, and then sometimes you post corny stuff, which deserves to be criticized. There's no need for you to go on the attack; I understand how rhetoric works so don't bother accusing me of trying to take the high-ground. This isn't about either of us; this isn't personal at all; it's (at least meant to be) constructive.

The criticism was public because you're a public figure and should expect public criticism. But your response was overly hostile, lacking in a genuine attempt to understand why someone might find some of your posts questionable.

As to your question about our personal relationship: you and I don't have a personal relationship (why should we?), save when you asked for facebook friends a number of years ago. I followed you because I thought you were smart; but now your persona gives off the impression that you're not intellectually prepared to deal with followers who have any criticisms of the way you've phrased certain internet-comments. 

In terms of your fun question on why Martin has the right to question Glenn's intellect: your attack on my motives conflates persons and ideas. You know better than that. Furthermore, why are you so concerned with your relationship with me? You know that both of us nothing and the Gospel is everything. 

As to your ultimate question about my motives: neither of us has a "high-ground." (I'm not even looking for a high-ground; I don't care. The point was to return your confusing statement with an equally confusing reply.) There's no high-ground. 

In sum: I like what most of what you have to say and I don't like it when you post pointless non-Christian posts. So cut it out. You're better than that. 

Love, 

Glenn

1:00 AM (23 minutes ago)
to me
l
     There's no need to invoke non-sequiturs. I'm not trying to argue with you. The original post was about the way you present your ideas to non-Christians.
Again, this isn't about us. God doesn't care about us; there's a million of us. You know this isn't about us, so there's no need to get personal. 
If you want me to attack your criticism of my criticism of you: you're using a obfuscation-technique to dismiss my criticism by calling it unintelligible so that You don't need to get so nasty against me. I'm not an enemy, and I genuinely care about the way you present your ideas.
Your criticism against my criticism missed the point of my criticism. My criticism's point what that your post was totally unrelated to Christian evangelism and swayed into Trumpogetics. It's politically polarizing. So stick to what you do best.

Glenn Posts "DIdn't read; will delete."


Ok so the copy and paste thing is messed up.

My point is that i've dealt with folks before who claimed to speak for God and then couldn't. Here's another Protestant example. When faced with criticism, he goes balistic and says you're incoherent and violent.
There is is everybody.


There's an issue with the formatting here. Basic point: Protestant can't stand up to most mild criticms; Protestant accuses you of being evil; Protestant bans you from protestant land; protestants burn in hell.


Ther



1:15 AM (3 minutes ago)
to me
Didn't read, will delete. 

Wednesday, February 11, 2015

Some Kind of Blood: Gladiators and Martyrs in Popular Christian Imagination


Edward Gibbon had depicted the early Christians as zealous anti-intellectuals, draining the
empire of all its science and art in favor of simple reliance on faith (15.187). In “The Anti-Christ,”
Nietzsche portrayed Christianity as a vampire sucking the blood from the Roman Empire (168).
Though this portrayal is meant to denigrate the Jesus movement, in a certain light it has its truth, since Christians were obligated not to participate in the imperial sacrifices or the gladiatorial games.
Earlier, Gibbon had characterized the Christians in this pacifistic fashion: “nor could their humane ignorance be convinced that it was lawful on any occasion to shed the blood of our fellow creatures,
either by the sword of justice or by that of war” (Decline 15.99). Nevertheless, Christians invested in a different sort of blood: the blood of the martyrs. But where this blood-love lies on the
social-psychological level was and is a matter of debate. Most recently Rodney Stark has sought to
understand Christian martyrdom in congruence with rational-choice theory. With the former authors
and the latter one lies a battle between two narratives: one of the decay of Hellenism, and one of the
triumph of Christianity.

Stark derides previous psychoanalysts who believed early Christians to be irrational, though he
does not provide many sources (Rise 166). He also complains that social scientists have an anti-religious agenda (167). In some ways this is true, since many social scientists look for socio-economic conditions underlying religious movements, without regard for the power (primacy?) of belief in motivating such movements.

Yet Stark does seek an economic model to understand martyrdom: that of cost-benefit analyses.
Though Stark admits that private faith cannot be quantified (172), he still places benefits like 'rewards
in the afterlife' as prime motivators for martyrdom (168), as well as benefits like honor and fame on
earth (181). For lack of a better model, it seems like for a select group of people, Stark's assertion is
probably right: zeal for death can be seen in modern cult movements; yet Christianity provided space
for fanatics and low-investment believers. One obvious objection to Stark's theory is that the vast
majority of Christians facing martyrdom wussed-out rather than faced death with a smile, indicating
both that many Christians preferred a normal Roman life rather than a glorious death, and that Stark's
model of cost-benefit analysis is so individuated that it is almost unfalsifiable, since the model can
always be supported by ad hoc rationalizations.

Stark next depicts the rising Christian movement as a simplified response to the flooded
religious market of late antiquity. There were simply too many gods (197), which was somehow related to human depravity (200). He even suggests that Paganism needed the imperial government to function, which is blatantly incorrect, since many traditional Hellenists continued to practice their ancestral religions far into the 8th century. His argument that a state religion needs state support has some merit, but it goes against the plain fact of religious pluralism in Roman society (194).
Ultimately, Stark contends that doctrine has the central victorious element in Christianity's
arsenal (211). While it is true that Hellenism did not have doctrine per se, or even a consistent approach to ethics, neither did most Christians put doctrine or ethics first. Certainly social-acceptability led to more and more people joining the Christian movement, since many people who were baptized continued to live out their traditional lifestyles.

Certainly doctrines like mercy and universal humanity mattered to high-level theologians and
Bishops—indeed the Emperor Julian called for greater humanism in reviving Hellenism—it probably
did not concern most average Christians (212). Whereas Stark depicts traditional Romans as sadistic,
delighting in seeing people torn to shreds (214), he writes that Christianity succeed because “what [it]
gave to its converts was nothing less than humanity” (215). When juxtaposing Gibbon and Nietzsche
with Stark, it begs the question: who is the real vampire?

The answer to such a loaded question is complicated. Suffice it to say that by Stark's final
chapter, he abandons any devotion to social science and delves naively into secular theology. On his
final page, Stark draws from Tertullian's De Spectaculis, arguing that “Christians condemned both the
cruelties and the spectators” of the gladiatorial games (215). While this statement certainly holds true
for Tertullian and his fellow Church authorities, it misses the fact that Tertullian is writing to other
Christians who in fact are attending the games! The work is meant to persuade these Christians not to
live in the same manner as the pagans, indicating that a sizable chunk of the Christian population
behaved in the same manner as anyone else in the empire. Perhaps then, under the leadership of
Bishops, the grandeur of Rome gradually faded, but for the majority of everyday Christians, they were still as pagan as could be.